Working with small machines again …

… and remember in the eighties where Smalltalk-80 ran under Atari-Mega ST in 4 MB of RAM ? That’s history, hardware is fast enough to run even the most difficult software in pretty good speed – at least under Desktop oriented PC (Intel).

With RaspberryPI and all those little computers the available computing power is again limited (although on a very high level …) …

I consider doing a programming course at a school near my place in the autumn and had a look at all these little machines what you can do with it and what not, what software could be used.


I bought the old Pi two years ago and played with it – under RiscOS and under Raspuntu (the Linux derivate for Pi). It felt a little slow (at least under Raspuntu) – but RiscOS simply flies with these small machines – wonderful. But RiscOS has simply other problems …

But what I noticed with Pi/RiscOS is the build in old BASIC BBC interpreter – and out of the box you were able again to write some small programs … pretty amazing for a software system coming to an age of 25 years … interactivity in a kind of way we perhaps have lost over the years and due to the increasing complexity of development tools we are used to use.

BBC Basic is indeed a pretty clever made stuff – BASIC without lines, access to inlined assembler and all those C based operating system functions …

I have not used BASIC for the last 20 years but I was amazed by the simplicity, the interactivity of the systems produced 25 years ago … where even some stuff of the operating system is written in BBC BASIC. That reminds me about Rexx under OS/2 and Amiga …

But of course one can see the drawbacks also: no structure support or even OO oriented support – but programming makes – even without that – fun again. Amazing …

Pi2 and Scratch 1.4

Ok, I bought a Pi2 – to get more speed and have a closer look at Raspuntu. I read so many stuff about Scratch and learning programming by using stuff like this – though I am not that confident, that I like this way of programming very much.

I tried Scratch 1.4 (based on Squeak) and found it pretty ok to use under Pi2. Actually Scratch 1.4 is the latest Scratch version based on Squeak – the current version Squeak 2.0 is now Flash (?) based but seems not to be available under Pi.

Using machines like this also brings up the problem, that presenting web-pages can be a very time consuming task for those webbrowser on these machines – even the Pi2.

Pi2 and Phratch

It is a port of Scratch ( on a recent platforms (Pharo 3.0) – but what the user gets is a very slow reprogramming of Squeak/Scratch. More or less I returned at once back to Scratch 1.4.

That was the overal subjective feeling I got with the Pi2: Pharo images (3.0 – 4.0 images can not be used at all) or application are slower in GUI than Squeak. Just a feeling …

Pi2 and the other stuff

Then I also installed FreePascal and the graphical IDE Lazarus (actually I had to compile it locally on the Pi2) – and by using these tool you have it again: speed. The GUI feels pretty fast (even the Lazarus IDE) – but of course compiling (on a SD card based system) is still a slow process.

Installation of Erlang – no problem but a heavy compile and installation job for the Pi2 – and a good workhorse for all the cores on the Pi2.

And then I looked for a BASIC implementation and I found “Return to Basic” or RTB. Single user project – build in support for the GPIO channels on the PI. Graphic, Sound – build in editor. And again: speed, simple to use, fast enough for interpreted application.

Odroid C1

The familiy of ARM based machines from odroid are also pretty interesting. The C1 is around €5 more expensive than the Pi2 – but offers more speed (1.6 GHz), more RAM.

The good thing is, that the speed is noticeable – Squeak comes up in about one second.

But the community is of course smaller – and with all those external projects available around Pi the Pi is still the main target. But if you just need a small machine with more power and Ubuntu compatibility is enough for you: the odrid may be a good candidate – and with the other models from odroid you may get even more computing power.

Conclusion ?

With Pi2 and odroid-c1 the machines offer enough power to make at least Squeak useable as an programming environment – but I still think, that the GUI programming under Pharo and Squeak is still a no-go – even after so many years. That does not mean, that the systems do not evolve – Pharo is running into the future and the look-and-feel has improved very much over the years on both systems.

I know, that there are pretty different opinions about that in the community.

Pharo 4 is in its early phase only useable under Intel machine, but Pharo 3.0 is there and can be used. The ARM VM still has potential to be speeded up and one can expect more in this direction in the future.

The big suprise for me was Lazarus IDE, Free Pascal and – yes – especially the RtB-BASIC. The later one has speed, simplicity and interactivity – but on the other side some limitations if you want to use structures and that. But source code is available and perhaps it might be a nice hack to enhance RTB to support structures … and  thn I would add socket also to the dialect.

But using BASIC again after so many years it shows how simple or well done the systems can be …. even if they might not grow with your needs. Pretty amazing how much fun can be created with only some lines of code.

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